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Re: This Tory leadership contest

By Baldman13/6 07:12Thu Jun 13 07:12:47 2019In response to Re: This Tory leadership contest

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You seem to be arguing against someone else here.

I never complained about an unelected ‘head of state’ as you call it (the EU is not a state, so the concept makes no sense).

I never said that the EU had no elements of Democracy. I said that it’s democratic mandate is suspect. Westminster is a more democratic body , particularly or the British people. Incidentally, although I don’t know much about it, I would suspect that the Welsh assembly is more democratic for Welsh people than Westminster).

So we agree that the Eu Parliament is directly elected and therefore has the strongest democratic mandate.

In the Council we have appointees that have been democratically elected elsewhere. Do I get to vote for those people? No. But you could argue the same for the constituency system. It just depends on how comfortable you are with a Europe-wide electorate vs British electorate. The other problem is that the votes of 300k Maltese are given the same weight as 40m Germans, which weakens claims to be democratic.

I think we have agreed that the Commission is not democratically elected by the people. It is made up of rubber-stamped appointees. Fine, so like the House of Lords. The problem with that analogy is the balance of power. The HoL is a secondary house of the legislature. The Commission is the executive.

So, with an elected executive, an elected legislature and an unelected second house with little power, Westminster is more democratic than the EU which has an elected legislature, an unelected executive and a ‘strategic body’ that is elected but via a system that gives some votes 100 times more power than others.

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