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Re: This Tory leadership contest

By NWS13/6 10:48Thu Jun 13 10:48:52 2019In response to Re: This Tory leadership contest

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No Baldman. I'm not. It's just that you forgot what you argued a few months back.

I don't disagree that Westminster is a more democratic body for the UK. That is obvious. It is entirely for the UK.
It is not a more democratic body in comparison.

Just to note I put 'head of state' in single quotation marks to recognise that the EU is not a state. To this end you claimed the Commission President was unelected along with the commission even though they are elected. You later say that we agree the commission is not democratically elected by the people. Sorry, Baldman, but we do not agree. I have not directly elected the commission but the representatives I voted there have. That is democracy. It might not be what you want but it is nonetheless democracy with the whole of the legislature (representing all the people) voting on the executive function. Meanwhile, I get a UK PM voted in by a very small percentage of the population. This PM voted in by a very small percentage of the population then solely decides who is in the executive. You have previously argued that we are aware of who this will be prior to the general election. I would point you to cabinet reshuffles that go on. By your logic we need an election every time otherwise we have people being appointed to the executive without it being democratically elected by the people. You might want to stop confusing being voted into the legislature (as an MP) with being appointed to the executive (cabinet). I trust you will see any new Tory prime minister as not directly elected to the post of PM.

Just point out that you got to vote for the UK section of the EU council. You do recognise that the same argument could be said of the UK constituency system. When we chat about democracy and votes not counting I would point out that the recent EU elections all votes counted towards deciding the make up of the legislature. Compare that to Ukips 4m votes and one MP result.

Your last paragraph again highlights your fundamental misunderstanding of the word elects. I suggest you get a dictionary and look it up because you are simply part-parroting Farage propaganda.

The EU executive is elected by the EU legislature. The UK executive is rubber stamped appointees decided by the PM (try to stop confusing the constituency MP role with the cabinet role). If you want to talk about rubber stamped appointees ask youself how many people would give Chris Grayling a cabinet role.

So the UK with an executive decided by one member of the representive legislature, a directly elected legislature using a system that does not adequately represent the political make up of its area and an appointed second house is less democratic than the EU with it's executive elected by all members of the representative legislature, a legislature that is directly elected by voters using a system where all votes count towards the make up of the parliament and a council including individuals that have been directly elected by the people of their individual nations.

Now please go understand the word elect or continue to sound like a second rate Farage

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