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Re: It makes you feel proud to be British...

By Baldman15/10 14:20Thu Oct 15 14:20:11 2020In response to Re: It makes you feel proud to be British...

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I don't agree that it is ok to make any arms, some including cluster type munitions shouldn't be made. Type is as important as quantity.


There is a difference between sufficient arms for defence and increasing your arms to be offensive. Saudi arms imports are of a scale their armed forces would need to be the size of Russia for it to be proportional.

That's not really a cut and dried distinction though, is it? Can you judge that with any sort of accuracy? Has Saudi been involved in many expansionary wars?

Strategically for oil security we should be sucking up to Venezuela Yes, and Russia, but our biggest ally is the USA so this won't fly.

Strategically you arm people just enough anything above that level is asking for trouble. In an ideal world perhaps, but if we refuse to arm the Saudis, someone else will. So I'm not sure that should drive your export policy. Also, will 'just enough' stop some arms reaching terrorists?

We have got involved in many conflicts to bring/ensure democracy, why bother when we are happy to support oppressive regimes. Have we? Really? I know that's what we say we are doing, but outside of Europe, why are those places always in the middle east? Why didn't we protect Ukraine? We don't we care about the DRC? Or South Sudan?

I think there are only really two coherent positions on this... against all arms exports or you accept that arms exports to allies are part of the whole International Relations game.

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