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Dover
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So what is going to happen them?
Surely the national league has to expel them and expunge their results? Sooner rather than later would be good
Re: Dover
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the local rumour mill suggests whatever happens providing the league dont u-turn on the cotes dover will retain their place next season and that is from a source that’s normally spot on. there is also a 4th club now on the verge of not being able to play.
Re: Dover
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There’s a fine line between not being able to play and just choosing not to.*
It’s shithousing on an epic scale that lower-table sugar-daddy clubs have decided that they can’t continue. They were happy to waste their money before.
*When we get knocked out of the Trophy you’ll know we’ve crossed ours!
Re: Dover
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But by the same token, many people who criticised Rushden Anne Diamonds and other shit or bust clubs for living outside their means, are now adamant that it’s right for every club to do so.
Re: Dover
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It is easy to spend other people’s money of course.
Edit: The Alderpop Chairman has been doing it for years!
Edited by Growler at 18:01:22 on 23rd February 2021
Re: Dover
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We can take their place. We want to play, they don't.
Re: Dover
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Sounds fair. We'll have your spot. we're 2nd on ppg so life back in Conference North sounds fun. We may as well not play there as anywhere else.
Re: Dover
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*Takes a quick glance at Conf North league*
Not surprised you would say that.
Re: Dover
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how is that relevant in this instance?
Re: Dover
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Quite, the league has been voided, no teams have any points.
Re: Dover
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Even so, we want to play, they don't. Let teams who want to play play.
Re: Dover
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To be fair, it's not such a daft idea. Let the tigers take over Dover's matches, which at least makes the NL competition fairer than a whole load of walkovers. Reward them with a promotion at Dover's expense.
Re: Dover
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What gives you the right over the hundreds of other clubs who also want to play?
Re: Dover
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Being top of the NL North table before it was stopped ?
Re: Dover
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That table doesn't exist anymore.
Re: Dover
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What part of before it was stopped ? escaped your comprehension ?
Re: Dover
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Oh I understand, but the clubs voted to null and void it so we can't use that table for anything.
Re: Dover
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Majority of step 2 did, stop being a remoaner.
Re: Dover
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Having played a number more games though.
Don't forget, the team top the last time it was halted last season, didn't go up.....
Re: Dover
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They promoted Barrow to the Football League but it's clear they were not ready and probably wouldn't have won the National League anyway
Re: Dover
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Yes true, only 2nd on PPG. Maybe Flid should be asked first , or Dorking and Stalebuns.
Re: Dover
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Vera don't want to play either do they? Us and Flybe can play their games for them :)
Re: Dover
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PPG would be St albans and Boston top....
Re: Dover
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Err aren't Boston at 1.76, buns 2.13 and Dorking 2.16 ? or is there some home and away factor I'm not aware of
Re: Dover
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Yes you are right - what I meant is that all those clubs have enough games in hand to catch up; the fact some of the teams have only played 13 games shows how ridiculous settling it on ppg is at this early stage.
Its also pretty hypocritical to see Fylde desperate to play on ( probably considering legal action) whereas last year they were desperate to null and void and avoid relegation
The league just need to decide and decide quickly
Re: Dover
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But Fylde have Project 2022 by which time they hope to be in FL. Without promotion this year that target is not achievable.
Re: Dover
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No less hypocritical than Slough throwing the toys out the pram in the summer and demanding "elite" status because they were in a play-off position and now crying about being considered elite.
Re: Dover
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Do you really think the NL will make any decision like that any time soon?
Re: Dover
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probably not.
What do you want for Dover?
Do you want to be expunged?
What league would you like to play in next season?
Re: Dover
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I don't think anything other than expunging will take place.
Expect to be in the NL South or Ryman[whatever name it has now]. I don't suppose there anything in the League rules about demotion?
Re: Dover
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If your results were "expunged" why do you think you've got a divine right to go down just one step to National South?
You'll go to the Dover & District League to start at the bottom like everyone else would do.
Even Bury had to go to something like North West Counties Div 1, Step 9 or wherever.
Re: Dover
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Isn't it a couple of steps so would be the Glue Leagues if expulsion happened.
Re: Dover
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Don't think anyone from Dover would think there was a divine right
Did Bury & other teams who started at the bottom of the pyramid go bust? Isn't that how teams end up at the bottom?
Dover's situation is probably unique atm, but I wouldn't complain at whatever level we were sent to.
Re: Dover
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This is a bit like going into admin to avoid going bust, and should be treated accordingly
Re: Dover
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Don’t teams carry on playing and not fuck everything up for everyone else when they are in administration though ?
Edited by Yeoman at 11:17:44 on 23rd February 2021
Re: Dover
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That just means points deductions doesn't it?
The punishment is likely to mean more than that
Re: Dover
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Championnat National 3 in France, innit?
Re: Dover
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If not then -30pts for next season
Re: Dover
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what else can they do?
Give 25 walkovers to their opponents in the remaining games?
Re: Dover
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League rules say you have to have played 75% of your games for that to happen (all 3-0 wins, teams get the points but not the GD). Dover are nowhere near that mark. So if they refuse to field a side, they get EXPUNGED.
Re: Dover
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Isn't that a tad unfair on teams that Dover have already played and earned draws/wins against?
Re: Dover
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I'll go with that, we're supposed to be playing them in a double header on Saturday followed by a week tomorrow.
Re: Dover
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Take tomorrow for example. Dovers actions have cost us the income from whatever we get from streaming, and every other club they have to play away. You can bet your life Parmenter will get the chequebook out in the summer after yet again pleading extreme poverty
Clubs cant just pull up the drawbridge and call it a day without a penalty for doing so, as it wont affect them this season then it must be applied next season.
We'll end up with clubs pulling out in stages when they realise they cant make the play offs
Re: Dover
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which is why a points deduction is too soft.
How many million has parmenter put in since Dover have been in the conference?
Yet he won't spend what 100/200 grand to keep them in the conference this season, knowing they could have played kids and had a free pass with no relegation. Its mental.
I would be proper raging if I was a Dover fan.
Presumably they want to drop down 2/3 leagues?
Re: Dover
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And if Kings Lynn pull out they can fuck off too
Re: Dover
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Well, that's the penalty for accepting those big-time charlies into your league who are really all just smoke and mirrors. Nobody believed Culverhouse's big "Poor ickle Kings Lynn, we haven't got a pot to piss in" routine last season in the same way as nobody now believes their wide-boy owner that they're the next best thing since sliced bread.
Had you accepted the team that was at the top of the league when it was halted, you could have been coming to play in a spanking new stadium.....
Re: Wealdstone issue following statement
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https://www.wealdstone-fc.com/post/an-update-from-our-chairman
Re: Wealdstone issue following statement
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They should try option 4
Furlough all players and let fans pay to play a game. This would actually raise money.
Re: Wealdstone issue following statement
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This is complete lunacy. Has there ever been an example of a league pushing many of its members towards bankruptcy before?
Re: Wealdstone issue following statement
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The whole situation is a complete clusterfuck. Personally dead against furloughing footballers but based on the situation the club finds itself in, I really don't know what else it can do. Not completing the season would be terrible and no doubt met with severe punishment so we're going to have to play on. However, unless something dramatically changes in terms of funding, we are not going to be able to pay our operating costs and current wage bill without saddling ourselves with long term debt.
Edited by sarsenstone at 11:31:46 on 23rd February 2021
Re: Wealdstone issue following statement
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This will be a major issue to league if a small number of clubs decide to furlough team and play a weakened team for rest of season. The final league positions could end up being considerably effected by this.
Mind you the team Wealdstone sent to York road this season did look very poor anyway.
The league executive will have some tough decisions coming up firstly they sadly have to demote Dover and secondly need to advise all clubs if they furlough players and play weakened teams they will start next season with a points deduction.
Re: Wealdstone issue following statement
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The league aren’t in a position to punish clubs who furlough players and play whoever they have left, be it new signings from pub leagues playing for nothing or the youths.
Re: Wealdstone issue following statement
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Surely the league has rules about playing your strongest team, and a catch all about integrity?
Re: Wealdstone issue following statement
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What defines a strongest team? Those players you have available? If they're furloughed they're not available
Re: Wealdstone issue following statement
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They are available.
It’s a bit like sending your players to Marbella then claiming they are unavailable.
Re: Wealdstone issue following statement
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It’s really not
Re: Wealdstone issue following statement
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A club is deliberately making their players unavailable (they are still registered to that club). In integrity terms they are available to the club - it just has to unfurlough them.
Re: Wealdstone issue following statement
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It’s not like sending them on holiday though mate. There’s a global pandemic and some serious concerns over clubs remaining solvent. It’s nothing like your example, which is just taking the piss.
Re: Wealdstone issue following statement
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Clubs are allowed to, and have in the past, loaned players out to balance the books when they're in financial troubles, not much different is there?
Re: Wealdstone issue following statement
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Not all their players at once though??
Re: Wealdstone issue following statement
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Nothing in the rules against it.
Re: Wealdstone issue following statement
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Is there no catch all rule about making a reasonable effort to compete?
Something for the lawyers to chew on
Re: Wealdstone issue following statement
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Any club that isn’t pitching for promotion that doesn’t do that is suicidal IMO.
Re: Dover
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The NL's problem here is that they're already a club short because of Macc going tits up. It looks as if there'll be nobody coming up from Step 2. If they boot out clubs who don't complete this season then next August they could be starting with 19 clubs in a division that's supposed to have 24.
I expect them to fudge it. Clubs that bail can be back next season but maybe start with a points deduction.
Re: Dover
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Where's Colin when you need him, for the good of the game.
Re: Dover
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Put them in NLS. They’re a club short, and perhaps they could
start next season on minus 25 points.
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