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Dover

By uptheshots (uptheshots)22/2 20:59Mon Feb 22 20:59:27 2021

Views: 1084

So what is going to happen them?

Surely the national league has to expel them and expunge their results? Sooner rather than later would be good

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Re: Dover

By beautiful boy (beautiful boy dafc)23/2 16:58Tue Feb 23 16:58:37 2021In response to Dover Top of thread

Views: 299

the local rumour mill suggests whatever happens providing the league dont u-turn on the cotes dover will retain their place next season and that is from a source that’s normally spot on. there is also a 4th club now on the verge of not being able to play.

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Re: Dover

By Growler (Growler)23/2 17:08Tue Feb 23 17:08:53 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 286

There’s a fine line between not being able to play and just choosing not to.*

It’s shithousing on an epic scale that lower-table sugar-daddy clubs have decided that they can’t continue. They were happy to waste their money before.


*When we get knocked out of the Trophy you’ll know we’ve crossed ours!

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Re: Dover

By Baldman23/2 17:41Tue Feb 23 17:41:23 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 242

But by the same token, many people who criticised Rushden Anne Diamonds and other shit or bust clubs for living outside their means, are now adamant that it’s right for every club to do so.

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Re: Dover

By Growler (Growler)23/2 18:00Tue Feb 23 18:00:25 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 215

It is easy to spend other people’s money of course.


Edit: The Alderpop Chairman has been doing it for years!

Edited by Growler at 18:01:22 on 23rd February 2021

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Re: Dover

By tigerroar23/2 10:15Tue Feb 23 10:15:56 2021In response to Dover Top of thread

Views: 587

We can take their place. We want to play, they don't.

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Re: Dover

By ladderman (laddermanforever)23/2 17:09Tue Feb 23 17:09:43 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 271

Sounds fair. We'll have your spot. we're 2nd on ppg so life back in Conference North sounds fun. We may as well not play there as anywhere else.

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Re: Dover

By Staffy at home (Mr Staffordshire)23/2 10:30Tue Feb 23 10:30:09 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 562

*Takes a quick glance at Conf North league*

Not surprised you would say that.

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Re: Dover

By tigerroar23/2 11:18Tue Feb 23 11:18:48 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 516

how is that relevant in this instance?

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Re: Dover

By Sicknote23/2 11:21Tue Feb 23 11:21:23 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 507

Quite, the league has been voided, no teams have any points.

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Re: Dover

By tigerroar23/2 11:46Tue Feb 23 11:46:11 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 490

Even so, we want to play, they don't. Let teams who want to play play.

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Re: Dover

By Yeoman23/2 13:42Tue Feb 23 13:42:55 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 411

To be fair, it's not such a daft idea. Let the tigers take over Dover's matches, which at least makes the NL competition fairer than a whole load of walkovers. Reward them with a promotion at Dover's expense.

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Re: Dover

By Sicknote23/2 11:52Tue Feb 23 11:52:19 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 475

What gives you the right over the hundreds of other clubs who also want to play?

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Re: Dover

By Yeoman23/2 13:44Tue Feb 23 13:44:07 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 413

Being top of the NL North table before it was stopped ?

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Re: Dover

By Sicknote23/2 13:54Tue Feb 23 13:54:14 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 390

That table doesn't exist anymore.

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Re: Dover

By Yeoman23/2 13:55Tue Feb 23 13:55:40 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 386

What part of before it was stopped ? escaped your comprehension ?

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Re: Dover

By Sicknote23/2 14:00Tue Feb 23 14:00:49 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 392

Oh I understand, but the clubs voted to null and void it so we can't use that table for anything.

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Re: Dover

By tigerroar23/2 16:06Tue Feb 23 16:06:11 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 320

we didn't.

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Re: Dover

By Sicknote23/2 16:13Tue Feb 23 16:13:00 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 303

Majority of step 2 did, stop being a remoaner.

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Re: Dover

By Shy Taz Effer (YCFC)23/2 13:48Tue Feb 23 13:48:47 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 395

Having played a number more games though.

Don't forget, the team top the last time it was halted last season, didn't go up.....

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Re: Dover

By Rotterdamboro23/2 18:08Tue Feb 23 18:08:08 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 200

They promoted Barrow to the Football League but it's clear they were not ready and probably wouldn't have won the National League anyway

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Re: Dover

By Yeoman23/2 13:54Tue Feb 23 13:54:18 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 382

Yes true, only 2nd on PPG. Maybe Flid should be asked first , or Dorking and Stalebuns.

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Re: Dover

By tigerroar23/2 16:07Tue Feb 23 16:07:35 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 302

Vera don't want to play either do they? Us and Flybe can play their games for them :)

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Re: Dover

By cardtrick23/2 14:42Tue Feb 23 14:42:52 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 338

PPG would be St albans and Boston top....

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Re: Dover

By Yeoman23/2 16:35Tue Feb 23 16:35:25 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 294

Err aren't Boston at 1.76, buns 2.13 and Dorking 2.16 ? or is there some home and away factor I'm not aware of

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Re: Dover

By cardtrick23/2 17:27Tue Feb 23 17:27:34 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 243

Yes you are right - what I meant is that all those clubs have enough games in hand to catch up; the fact some of the teams have only played 13 games shows how ridiculous settling it on ppg is at this early stage.

Its also pretty hypocritical to see Fylde desperate to play on ( probably considering legal action) whereas last year they were desperate to null and void and avoid relegation

The league just need to decide and decide quickly

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Re: Dover

By Howard RMI23/2 17:37Tue Feb 23 17:37:12 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 230

But Fylde have Project 2022 by which time they hope to be in FL. Without promotion this year that target is not achievable.

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Re: Dover

By Dougie MacDougall23/2 17:33Tue Feb 23 17:33:34 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 239

No less hypocritical than Slough throwing the toys out the pram in the summer and demanding "elite" status because they were in a play-off position and now crying about being considered elite.

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Re: Dover

By cardtrick23/2 17:48Tue Feb 23 17:48:32 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 211

True that....

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Re: Dover

By doveranddover22/2 21:04Mon Feb 22 21:04:41 2021In response to Dover Top of thread

Views: 1026

Do you really think the NL will make any decision like that any time soon?

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Re: Dover

By uptheshots (uptheshots)22/2 21:07Mon Feb 22 21:07:34 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 1002

probably not.

What do you want for Dover?

Do you want to be expunged?

What league would you like to play in next season?

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Re: Dover

By doveranddover22/2 21:19Mon Feb 22 21:19:29 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 963

I don't think anything other than expunging will take place.
Expect to be in the NL South or Ryman[whatever name it has now]. I don't suppose there anything in the League rules about demotion?

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Re: Dover

By Shy Taz Effer (YCFC)23/2 10:05Tue Feb 23 10:05:44 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 563

If your results were "expunged" why do you think you've got a divine right to go down just one step to National South?

You'll go to the Dover & District League to start at the bottom like everyone else would do.

Even Bury had to go to something like North West Counties Div 1, Step 9 or wherever.

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Re: Dover

By Marked Ox23/2 11:41Tue Feb 23 11:41:35 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 462

Isn't it a couple of steps so would be the Glue Leagues if expulsion happened.

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Re: Dover

By doveranddover23/2 10:18Tue Feb 23 10:18:44 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 541

Don't think anyone from Dover would think there was a divine right
Did Bury & other teams who started at the bottom of the pyramid go bust? Isn't that how teams end up at the bottom?
Dover's situation is probably unique atm, but I wouldn't complain at whatever level we were sent to.

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Re: Dover

By Meerkat23/2 10:23Tue Feb 23 10:23:15 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 528

This is a bit like going into admin to avoid going bust, and should be treated accordingly

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Re: Dover

By Yeoman23/2 11:17Tue Feb 23 11:17:09 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 485

Don’t teams carry on playing and not fuck everything up for everyone else when they are in administration though ?

Edited by Yeoman at 11:17:44 on 23rd February 2021

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Re: Dover

By doveranddover23/2 10:35Tue Feb 23 10:35:43 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 525

That just means points deductions doesn't it?
The punishment is likely to mean more than that

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Re: Dover

By Staffy at home (Mr Staffordshire)23/2 10:12Tue Feb 23 10:12:17 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 542

Championnat National 3 in France, innit?

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Re: Dover

By Britain hating leftie (Kingfield Ender)22/2 21:00Mon Feb 22 21:00:43 2021In response to Dover Top of thread

Views: 1014

If not then -30pts for next season

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Re: Dover

By uptheshots (uptheshots)22/2 21:04Mon Feb 22 21:04:17 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 1009

what else can they do?

Give 25 walkovers to their opponents in the remaining games?

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Re: Dover

By Taz (SUFC)Yesterday 10:02Yesterday at 10:02:49In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 104

League rules say you have to have played 75% of your games for that to happen (all 3-0 wins, teams get the points but not the GD). Dover are nowhere near that mark. So if they refuse to field a side, they get EXPUNGED.

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Re: Dover

By Feng Huang23/2 08:33Tue Feb 23 08:33:50 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 645

Isn't that a tad unfair on teams that Dover have already played and earned draws/wins against?

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Re: Dover

By Dougie MacDougall22/2 21:54Mon Feb 22 21:54:56 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 906

I'll go with that, we're supposed to be playing them in a double header on Saturday followed by a week tomorrow.

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Re: Dover

By Britain hating leftie (Kingfield Ender)22/2 21:08Mon Feb 22 21:08:58 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

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Take tomorrow for example. Dovers actions have cost us the income from whatever we get from streaming, and every other club they have to play away. You can bet your life Parmenter will get the chequebook out in the summer after yet again pleading extreme poverty

Clubs cant just pull up the drawbridge and call it a day without a penalty for doing so, as it wont affect them this season then it must be applied next season.

We'll end up with clubs pulling out in stages when they realise they cant make the play offs

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Re: Dover

By uptheshots (uptheshots)22/2 21:12Mon Feb 22 21:12:49 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 965

which is why a points deduction is too soft.

How many million has parmenter put in since Dover have been in the conference?

Yet he won't spend what 100/200 grand to keep them in the conference this season, knowing they could have played kids and had a free pass with no relegation. Its mental.

I would be proper raging if I was a Dover fan.

Presumably they want to drop down 2/3 leagues?

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Re: Dover

By Britain hating leftie (Kingfield Ender)22/2 21:15Mon Feb 22 21:15:25 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 959

And if Kings Lynn pull out they can fuck off too

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Re: Dover

By Shy Taz Effer (YCFC)23/2 13:53Tue Feb 23 13:53:55 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 371

Well, that's the penalty for accepting those big-time charlies into your league who are really all just smoke and mirrors. Nobody believed Culverhouse's big "Poor ickle Kings Lynn, we haven't got a pot to piss in" routine last season in the same way as nobody now believes their wide-boy owner that they're the next best thing since sliced bread.

Had you accepted the team that was at the top of the league when it was halted, you could have been coming to play in a spanking new stadium.....

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Re: Wealdstone issue following statement

By Pinner Stones23/2 07:17Tue Feb 23 07:17:30 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 809

https://www.wealdstone-fc.com/post/an-update-from-our-chairman

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Re: Wealdstone issue following statement

By Yeoman23/2 08:31Tue Feb 23 08:31:44 2021In response to Re: Wealdstone issue following statement Top of thread

Views: 667

They should try option 4

Furlough all players and let fans pay to play a game. This would actually raise money.

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Re: Wealdstone issue following statement

By Baldman23/2 07:24Tue Feb 23 07:24:00 2021In response to Re: Wealdstone issue following statement Top of thread

Views: 724

This is complete lunacy. Has there ever been an example of a league pushing many of its members towards bankruptcy before?

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Re: Wealdstone issue following statement

By sarsenstone23/2 11:31Tue Feb 23 11:31:10 2021In response to Re: Wealdstone issue following statement Top of thread

Views: 478

The whole situation is a complete clusterfuck. Personally dead against furloughing footballers but based on the situation the club finds itself in, I really don't know what else it can do. Not completing the season would be terrible and no doubt met with severe punishment so we're going to have to play on. However, unless something dramatically changes in terms of funding, we are not going to be able to pay our operating costs and current wage bill without saddling ourselves with long term debt.

Edited by sarsenstone at 11:31:46 on 23rd February 2021

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Re: Wealdstone issue following statement

By chrismr23/2 07:45Tue Feb 23 07:45:10 2021In response to Re: Wealdstone issue following statement Top of thread

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This will be a major issue to league if a small number of clubs decide to furlough team and play a weakened team for rest of season. The final league positions could end up being considerably effected by this.
Mind you the team Wealdstone sent to York road this season did look very poor anyway.
The league executive will have some tough decisions coming up firstly they sadly have to demote Dover and secondly need to advise all clubs if they furlough players and play weakened teams they will start next season with a points deduction.

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Re: Wealdstone issue following statement

By Sicknote23/2 08:43Tue Feb 23 08:43:51 2021In response to Re: Wealdstone issue following statement Top of thread

Views: 640

The league aren’t in a position to punish clubs who furlough players and play whoever they have left, be it new signings from pub leagues playing for nothing or the youths.

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Re: Wealdstone issue following statement

By Meerkat23/2 09:56Tue Feb 23 09:56:01 2021In response to Re: Wealdstone issue following statement Top of thread

Views: 584

Surely the league has rules about playing your strongest team, and a catch all about integrity?

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Re: Wealdstone issue following statement

By Sicknote23/2 10:09Tue Feb 23 10:09:37 2021In response to Re: Wealdstone issue following statement Top of thread

Views: 551

What defines a strongest team? Those players you have available? If they're furloughed they're not available

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Re: Wealdstone issue following statement

By Meerkat23/2 10:24Tue Feb 23 10:24:52 2021In response to Re: Wealdstone issue following statement Top of thread

Views: 528

They are available.
It’s a bit like sending your players to Marbella then claiming they are unavailable.

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Re: Wealdstone issue following statement

By Nonsense Potter (D Piddy)23/2 10:25Tue Feb 23 10:25:51 2021In response to Re: Wealdstone issue following statement Top of thread

Views: 533

It’s really not

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Re: Wealdstone issue following statement

By Meerkat23/2 10:27Tue Feb 23 10:27:31 2021In response to Re: Wealdstone issue following statement Top of thread

Views: 527

A club is deliberately making their players unavailable (they are still registered to that club). In integrity terms they are available to the club - it just has to unfurlough them.

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Re: Wealdstone issue following statement

By Nonsense Potter (D Piddy)23/2 10:29Tue Feb 23 10:29:47 2021In response to Re: Wealdstone issue following statement Top of thread

Views: 530

It’s not like sending them on holiday though mate. There’s a global pandemic and some serious concerns over clubs remaining solvent. It’s nothing like your example, which is just taking the piss.

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Re: Wealdstone issue following statement

By Sicknote23/2 10:44Tue Feb 23 10:44:44 2021In response to Re: Wealdstone issue following statement Top of thread

Views: 529

Clubs are allowed to, and have in the past, loaned players out to balance the books when they're in financial troubles, not much different is there?

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Re: Wealdstone issue following statement

By Meerkat23/2 14:28Tue Feb 23 14:28:24 2021In response to Re: Wealdstone issue following statement Top of thread

Views: 370

Not all their players at once though??

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Re: Wealdstone issue following statement

By Sicknote23/2 14:33Tue Feb 23 14:33:48 2021In response to Re: Wealdstone issue following statement Top of thread

Views: 342

Nothing in the rules against it.

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Re: Wealdstone issue following statement

By Meerkat23/2 16:26Tue Feb 23 16:26:18 2021In response to Re: Wealdstone issue following statement Top of thread

Views: 287

Is there no catch all rule about making a reasonable effort to compete?
Something for the lawyers to chew on

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Re: Wealdstone issue following statement

By Baldman23/2 08:46Tue Feb 23 08:46:18 2021In response to Re: Wealdstone issue following statement Top of thread

Views: 631

Any club that isn’t pitching for promotion that doesn’t do that is suicidal IMO.

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Re: Dover

By Amber Aleman (SUFC)22/2 22:24Mon Feb 22 22:24:32 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 856

The NL's problem here is that they're already a club short because of Macc going tits up. It looks as if there'll be nobody coming up from Step 2. If they boot out clubs who don't complete this season then next August they could be starting with 19 clubs in a division that's supposed to have 24.

I expect them to fudge it. Clubs that bail can be back next season but maybe start with a points deduction.

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Re: Dover

By Yeoman22/2 23:42Mon Feb 22 23:42:02 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 804

Where's Colin when you need him, for the good of the game.

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Re: Dover

By Ich bin22/2 22:18Mon Feb 22 22:18:27 2021In response to Re: Dover Top of thread

Views: 862

Put them in NLS. They’re a club short, and perhaps they could
start next season on minus 25 points.

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