ContinueWe use cookies to ensure that you get the best experience on our website; if you continue without changing your settings - or dismiss this message - we'll assume that you are happy to receive all cookies on www.theconferenceforum.co.uk

The Conference Forum

Return to front page

Newest article: Re: Another one by Hamilcar BarcaToday 20:00Today at 20:00:00view thread

Oldest article: Daily Brexit Bonus by cufc infinity1/4 15:04Thu Apr 1 15:04:43 2021view thread

MenuSearch

Next thread: Thick Northeners #7576757484848 by Greek Card9/4 09:58Fri Apr 9 09:58:26 2021view thread

Our government...

By NWS5/4 08:46Mon Apr 5 08:46:37 2021

Views: 1301

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/30/uk-criticised-for-ignoring-paris-climate-goals-in-infrastructure-decisions

reply to this article | return to the front page

Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Baldman7/4 08:25Wed Apr 7 08:25:19 2021In response to Our government... Top of thread

Views: 576

China using coal fired power station for Bitcoin mining could have similar CO2 output to Italy on current course.

Look, I like the Earth and that, but it’s worth causing an environmental catastrophe to generate a ponzi currency that you can’t really use but that might get me rich.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/apr/07/china-bitcoin-mining-climate-targets-nature-study

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Barnet Ben8/4 11:58Thu Apr 8 11:58:16 2021In response to Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 236

Cool story bro.

Edited by Barnet Ben at 11:58:27 on 8th April 2021

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By DesCartes8/4 12:58Thu Apr 8 12:58:53 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 229

Warm one, shirley?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Bullsgold7/4 08:35Wed Apr 7 08:35:28 2021In response to Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 517

We just can't control ourselves.

I imagine we're not alone in that, though. Which is probably why we haven't found any intelligent life in the universe; there simply isn't any.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Baldman7/4 09:21Wed Apr 7 09:21:24 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 500

Reminds me of the (perhaps apocryphal) story of the Easter Island population that died out after getting obsessed with statues and cutting down the forests they needed to survive to transport them.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By NWS7/4 09:52Wed Apr 7 09:52:58 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 471

So the modern Tory agenda originates from the Easter Islands. Interesting

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Baldman7/4 10:10Wed Apr 7 10:10:54 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 456

Looking at the data, I think the Tory governments since 2010 have presided over the largest and most rapid fall in CO2 emissions in our great nation's history.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By uptheshots (uptheshots)7/4 18:04Wed Apr 7 18:04:25 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 369

The Tory party and Green Party do seem to have the same ideals. Maybe they should merge?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Baldman7/4 18:20Wed Apr 7 18:20:13 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 356

The Tories have overseen a massive decrease in CO2 and have spent hundreds of billions extra in welfare.

If they didn't have a blue rosette you'd have to say they are the most left wing government in over 30 years.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Marked Ox8/4 09:57Thu Apr 8 09:57:48 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 231

Are those welfare £bns including the distributions to their mates, neighbours and the Tory Party donors? :)

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By uptheshots (uptheshots)7/4 18:31Wed Apr 7 18:31:16 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 360

Are you taking the piss?

Out of interest why do you say over 30 years, are you implying that thatcher was more left wing & indeed the most left wing government of the last 40 years?

Do you have a degree in politics?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Baldman7/4 19:24Wed Apr 7 19:24:53 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 354

Oh man you’re right. I meant 40 years. Frightening.

No, not taking the piss. The Tories have done more on CO2 since 2010 than any government in U.K. history. And this government has massively increased welfare payments. If you take those two out, why vote Labour? Trans rights? Palestine?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By uptheshots (uptheshots)8/4 07:46Thu Apr 8 07:46:09 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 273

Jesus. I think you are too far gone.

Time to rejoin the con club?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Baldman8/4 08:06Thu Apr 8 08:06:46 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 265

Bless you my son, but I am not Jesus hiding behind a droll username.

I know that you weally weally want Labour to win, but is there anything about what I've said that you disagree with?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Bullsgold8/4 09:51Thu Apr 8 09:51:20 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 237

What if God was one of us, just a Tory like one of us,
like a bald man waiting for a bus, never making his way home.

Profound, I think you'll agree. It does lead to the question 'what would Jesus look like if he tidied himself up a bit?'. A shit, shower and shave job. Set the clippers to 1.

I think Michael Stipe but that's because I'm influenced by iconography rather than logic.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Baldman8/4 10:23Thu Apr 8 10:23:14 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 235

I think he'd look like Erling Haaland, a kind of aryan superman.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Bullsgold8/4 10:29Thu Apr 8 10:29:44 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 239

Yes, sorry.i don't know what I was thinking picking someone so evidently vulnerable. Also, Stipe seems to have a beard now which ruins it.

If I am allowed another go then I'm going to say Tyson Fury.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Meerkat8/4 13:18Thu Apr 8 13:18:58 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 206

Wouldnt he look really Jewish, a Spurs shirt maybe?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By NWS7/4 10:13Wed Apr 7 10:13:03 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 454

I was referring to the obsession over statues

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Baldman7/4 10:14Wed Apr 7 10:14:15 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 456

Ah. Nice

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By NWS7/4 10:18Wed Apr 7 10:18:54 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 449

I thought you'd like the link.

On emissions, this fall means we are on target to hit our Paris climate targets, yes?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Baldman7/4 10:26Wed Apr 7 10:26:01 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 441

Dunno

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By NWS7/4 11:06Wed Apr 7 11:06:10 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 437

So ready to give me all this wonderful data but have suddenly become unable to find something simple out. Hilarious.

I wonder how Corbyn would have done with all those tree planting and public transport policies

Edited by NWS at 11:07:13 on 7th April 2021

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Baldman7/4 11:07Wed Apr 7 11:07:29 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 429

I made no claim about Paris. I therefore have no data to provide. You see?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By NWS7/4 11:09Wed Apr 7 11:09:32 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 438

I didn't ask for any data

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Baldman7/4 11:38Wed Apr 7 11:38:56 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 434

Cool

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Shanghai8/4 09:39Thu Apr 8 09:39:17 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 245

I reckon NWS pronounces data as darta

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By NWS10/4 00:36Sat Apr 10 00:36:07 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 94

Leave it out. I refuse to enter into the whole Larrrtte pronunciation for a coffee

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Meerkat7/4 09:33Wed Apr 7 09:33:29 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 470

Bit like these people?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56647128

Three quarters of all SUVs sold in the UK are registered to people living in towns and cities
The largest SUVs are most popular in three London boroughs - Kensington and Chelsea, Hammersmith & Fulham, and Westminster

They need to bring in car size related taxation, and make most parking spaces small car only.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By interserie7/4 13:07Wed Apr 7 13:07:06 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 401

"....and make most parking spaces small car only."

I'm off to buy shares in body repair shops.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Meerkat7/4 13:51Wed Apr 7 13:51:23 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 387

Why? They would be sized appropriately for small cars and anyone using one in a bigger car gets ticketed.
Put all the SUV spaces at the far end of the car parks, or the furthest end of the street from the shops/school

Edited by Meerkat at 13:51:49 on 7th April 2021

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Baldman7/4 09:45Wed Apr 7 09:45:37 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 470

Yep. Guilty here.

Edit to add: More restrictions?? You are such a statist.

Edited by Baldman at 09:46:18 on 7th April 2021

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Meerkat7/4 10:26Wed Apr 7 10:26:50 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 448

Yep, restrictions to help society achieve something only the state has power to do.
The other alternative being a campaign of torching SUVs.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Baldman7/4 10:28Wed Apr 7 10:28:06 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 445

I bet you are advocating vaccine passports aren’t you Vladimir? Papers please!

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions

By Meerkat7/4 14:07Wed Apr 7 14:07:14 2021In response to Re: Bitcoin - CO2 emissions Top of thread

Views: 378

Absolutely not. Its effectively ID cards and we English leave that to the commies and Nazis over the sea in Europe.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Baldman5/4 11:51Mon Apr 5 11:51:14 2021In response to Our government... Top of thread

Views: 877

Pah! What does Jim Hansen know? He’s no brain surgeon.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Garçon du Ballon5/4 12:02Mon Apr 5 12:02:52 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 849

Muppets were great though.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Meerkat5/4 09:14Mon Apr 5 09:14:03 2021In response to Our government... Top of thread

Views: 1060

Have you done a Des?
The article is about the Supreme Court, not the government

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS5/4 11:21Mon Apr 5 11:21:48 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 883

How many major infrastructure projects have the Supreme Court undertaken?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By DesCartes5/4 11:01Mon Apr 5 11:01:25 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 914

Do you need a large text version of the article, with simpler words, specifically designed for the 'hard of understanding'?

Read my lips, 'It's about the Government'.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Meerkat5/4 11:04Mon Apr 5 11:04:27 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 894

Typical remainer

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS5/4 11:22Mon Apr 5 11:22:22 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 863

Yes. Understanding things

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By skippy5/4 09:46Mon Apr 5 09:46:54 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 990

Err who took the case to the supreme court after they lost the decision in the appeals court?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Gareth Keenan (Bray Ford)5/4 09:58Mon Apr 5 09:58:38 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 972

Heathrow Airport Limited....?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Meerkat5/4 09:54Mon Apr 5 09:54:56 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 974

If the appeals court were wrong in law then it needed correcting.
Doesn't change that the article was a bit weird, blaming the Supreme Court for making a legal decision.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By interserie5/4 14:00Mon Apr 5 14:00:54 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 816

I re-read the piece in the Guardian and am still confused. Whilst the outcome was against the position taken by the paper, like Meerkat, I feel that arguing that the highest Court in the land shouldn't have come to a different decision on an Appeal Court judgement is a tad bizarre. Surely that's why we have the Supreme Court?

Edited by interserie at 16:04:45 on 5th April 2021

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS6/4 01:01Tue Apr 6 01:01:41 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 702

I will again point out that, just because there is a judgement that says the government can ignore the Paris Agreement they are not legally bound to do so and could act for the good of future generations

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Bullsgold6/4 01:27Tue Apr 6 01:27:48 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 703

I was just wondering what type of car you have and approximately how many miles you do per week at the moment?

Also your mother's maiden name, your place of birth and the 3 digit number on the signature strip of your card.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS6/4 08:39Tue Apr 6 08:39:16 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 629

My cars are poor because I was unaware of the diesel problem when I bought and thought I was getting something reasonable on the environment. I think it was an article Meerkat posted that showed me the full extent of that. Having said that, I don't do lots of miles by car and I have just switched to primarily riding a bicycle or electric scooter. We may not be perfect straight away but we can opt to not make things worse. Millions of people doing a little something will be far better than a few of me sacrificing everything. I would love to get an electric car but have no driveway and, most of the time, can't get near my house. If I could I would charge up on 100% renewable energy because I am with Green Energy.

If you cannot know the place of my birth then I despair and advise you don't join the police. You don't think I support them through choice, do you? :)

Edited by NWS at 08:40:47 on 6th April 2021

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Bullsgold6/4 08:53Tue Apr 6 08:53:33 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 609

Given that you keep mentioning that the future looks quite grim and that, generally speaking, amending habits to save lives is an accepted norm nowadays, I'm surprised you haven't just ditched the car entirely.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS6/4 09:46Tue Apr 6 09:46:01 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 598

Yes. I knew this would head here. The 'millions doing little things rather than a few sacrificing everything' bit was just ignored.

I can't ditch the car entirely because public transport doesn't get me to work. Again, I mitigate this as much as possible by cycling sometimes (12 miles each way) or using my electric moped.

If you have better suggestions I'm willing to listen

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Leeds Sandgrounder6/4 10:53Tue Apr 6 10:53:34 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 585

You'll have to move or get a different job.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS6/4 15:41Tue Apr 6 15:41:21 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 560

Or we could get recharging ability in lampposts and/or improved public transport

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Bullsgold8/4 11:50Thu Apr 8 11:50:07 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 217

As this post has spawned a thousand comments about lamp posts I thought I would just ask if it would be likely that they will just embed wireless battery chargers in the road at some point in time?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Leeds Sandgrounder8/4 11:56Thu Apr 8 11:56:09 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 216

You can't expect people to navigate round stuff on the street. The number of people killed by walking into bins and lampposts and road signs will be TREBLED if you put these in.

Also, if you can't build them everywhere you shouldn't build them anywhere. I have tried to build a house on a sand dune, in a volcano and under the sea - I have decided that it is better to just live outside.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Bullsgold8/4 12:03Thu Apr 8 12:03:50 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 212

There's no point in complaining about it on here. If you have a problem with me putting a battery charging bin in the middle of the road then you write to your MP about it.

I imagine they may ask me to stop doing it. I won't, so they might as well not bother asking me to stop. So you may want to reconsider whether or not to bother contacting them about it in the first place. In fact, don't bother.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Leeds Sandgrounder8/4 12:45Thu Apr 8 12:45:53 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 210

I wrote to my MP and asked him what his perfect Sunday would be. He didn't reply.

Democracy? Don't make me laugh.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Meerkat6/4 16:13Tue Apr 6 16:13:02 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 533

There aren't enough lamp posts and they are usually the wrong side of the pavement

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS7/4 09:43Wed Apr 7 09:43:14 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 457

Yes. With only 5.5m streetlights in the UK, there are not enough!

I guess coming up with a solution to get a cable from one side of a pavement to another is a step too far.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Meerkat7/4 10:24Wed Apr 7 10:24:09 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 452

How many of those lights are on motorways or other non-residential roads and how many street parked cars are there?
I only need to look out my window to know there are nowhere near enough lampposts.
The solution to get a cable across the pavement in a way the disability charities (and NWNF lawyers) would accept is unlikely to be viable.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Apu de Beaumarchais7/4 21:00Wed Apr 7 21:00:37 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 309

I wouldn’t think about cable requirements, that’s already production technology.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS7/4 20:43Wed Apr 7 20:43:38 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 326

How many lamps do you think you need? Don't forget that people with drives don't need them. People without cars don't need them. It's unlikely that everyone will need them at the same time.

As for your last bit... You firmly believe non-existent technology can solve a complex border issue but don't believe we can put a cable under a pavement. I wonder how broadband reaches houses. Perhaps the storks bring it...

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Meerkat8/4 09:05Thu Apr 8 09:05:24 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 248

All the roads lined with parking would need a charger for everyone or the spaces with chargers will never be available for those who need them when they get home.
Non-existent technology - ANPR cameras dont exist???
Broadband reaches houses underground, from great big chunky cabinets with no exposed sockets to inside the house.
Either you are suggesting trailing wires all over the pavement, which will have Staffy's dog running to the human rights lawyers, or you need some kind of pop up post in the pavement which is high enough not to be a trip hazard and strong enough to not warp its motion when kicked. That post needs to be far enough from the edge of the pavement to be practical without being far enough from the edge to make the pavement too narrow for wheelchairs and those huge baby buggies.
The charging at work or supermarket concept is a bit buggered now many people rarely visit either.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS9/4 01:29Fri Apr 9 01:29:57 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 185

Non-existent technology is the Irish border solution technology you claimed would solve things but still doesn't exist. I never mentioned ANPR cameras my paranoid friend. We can see the results of the failed border solutions you supported going on each day in Northern Ireland. If only someone had mentioned this.

Not sure why you need all these pop up posts. I'm pretty certain many of Britain's streets have had parking meters for years without people experiencing injury at any great rate.

Lamp post technology already exists. I don't necessarily think this will be suitable for everywhere but it can exist in many places and work. That's an improvement

Edited by NWS at 01:31:41 on 9th April 2021

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Hamilcar Barca (Duncan Biscuit)7/4 20:52Wed Apr 7 20:52:55 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 314

The village my mum lives in doesn’t have street lights and 79 of its 300 houses have no driveways. Parking, as it goes, is a mare.

This place is, as it happens, the most photographed and one of the prettiest villages in England.

Not that I give a shit, because my mums cottage is one of the few with a driveway, but where are the 79 householders going to plug their cars in to?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS7/4 21:03Wed Apr 7 21:03:17 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 306

You do realise that street lights is one option for recharging don't you? Others are almost certainly available.

However, in recognition of your point I suggest that we don't put charging points in any places in the whole country because 79 houses in one village find it difficult. There problem solved!

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Hamilcar Barca (Duncan Biscuit)7/4 21:08Wed Apr 7 21:08:29 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 296

Don’t be a tool

The situation in my mums village is replicated in hundreds, if not thousands, of rural villages up and down the country. Where we lived in the Cotswolds was another case in point. Probably half the houses didn’t have drives and the village didn’t have any street lights.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS7/4 21:13Wed Apr 7 21:13:45 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 299

So because of that we shouldn't put the technology anywhere?

I'm fairly confident you can have charging points without a lampost. It was merely a suggestion to help throughout the country. Do you feel a large part of the country shouldn't do something because some of it can't?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Apu de Beaumarchais7/4 20:57Wed Apr 7 20:57:40 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 314

Where do they park their cars?

They can charge them there.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS7/4 21:05Wed Apr 7 21:05:41 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 302

I was going to point that out but I had a sneaking suspicion this is a deliberate attempt to find some exception to the point I was making

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Hamilcar Barca (Duncan Biscuit)7/4 21:04Wed Apr 7 21:04:23 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 313

All over the fucking place!! Including in my mums drive and on her front garden. It’s a free for all.

Alternatively the sort of road (in Portsmouth) my step daughter lives in. Dead straight road, 500 terraced houses, none with a driveway and good luck getting within half a mile of your house.

Not, of course, that most domestic supplies can only deliver 3.4 kWh and are useless for EVs

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Apu de Beaumarchais7/4 21:12Wed Apr 7 21:12:19 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 302

So we (we the UK) have the option to solve these problems and be a world leader is developing technologies for this.

Or we can let China, USA, and Germany take all the work, jobs and profits, which we’ll then just have to buy to keep up.

I’ve been working in the Auto industry for long enough and the only two things I’ve been absolutely certain on are:
- Major adoption of full electric cars by a large population of the financially advanced world will be way sooner than most people think
- Self driving cars will be completely the opposite, not a chance we’ll be seeing (non gimmicky) cars without steering wheels any time soon

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Dave (Barra) (David (Barrovia))7/4 21:11Wed Apr 7 21:11:44 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 313

Dot them along the road, you don’t have to have your own personal charger.

Or don’t bother in residential areas/places still stuck in the 1800s and folk can charge them at work/the supermarker/at charging stations in the same way we don’t all have our own personal petrol stations.

Edited by David (Barrovia) at 21:15:08 on 7th April 2021

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Return of the Macc (WLADITT)8/4 09:53Thu Apr 8 09:53:45 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 234

The only way I can see it being viable is having universal batteries which are easily replaceable where you can just swap your battery for a ready charged one at the petrol station, and yours gets rejuiced for somebody else. I can't see a world where people sit around for half hour waiting for their car to charge and I can't see any way to fit charging infrastructure into our already cramped streets.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Dave (Barra) (David (Barrovia))8/4 10:37Thu Apr 8 10:37:16 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 219

Oh well, that’s that then.

Back to the drawing board.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Hamilcar Barca (Duncan Biscuit)7/4 21:18Wed Apr 7 21:18:02 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 306

It’s probably the only solution, but, again, in many rural villages, the roads are narrow and even if parking is possible down one side of the road it does tend to make it quite difficult to get through. Great Bardfield is a village between where I live and where my mum lives and it not that unusual to not be able to get through the Main Street because of the parking. I dread going through it. Narrow, cars parked everywhere and three completely blind corners followed by a straight where you just pray that you don’t meet someone coming the other way.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Dave (Barra) (David (Barrovia))7/4 21:21Wed Apr 7 21:21:42 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 300

Sounds like they’ll be affected more by the proposals to ban parking on pavements etc rather than the installation of EVCP infrastructure.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Hamilcar Barca (Duncan Biscuit)7/4 21:30Wed Apr 7 21:30:13 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 290

There’s one chap parks a brand new Aston Martin, complete with personal plate, in Bardfield. Usually half up on the pavement. He’s got a car like that and no driveway ( let alone a garage) to park it in.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Leeds Sandgrounder7/4 21:32Wed Apr 7 21:32:46 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 288

This village sounds like it is full of absolute bellends.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Hamilcar Barca (Duncan Biscuit)7/4 21:39Wed Apr 7 21:39:42 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 290

Unfortunately it is.

Same twat has one of his five cars half in my mums drive right now. It’s been there for three weeks and it means I have a job to get my car in when I visit to check up on her. She’s 80 and lives alone and doesn’t want to upset the neighbours. This Evans has the cottage dead opposite.

My mums going away in a couple of weeks. Matey boys in for a nasty surprise.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Leeds Sandgrounder7/4 21:46Wed Apr 7 21:46:04 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 290

He's going to get the tutting of a lifetime!!!

It might even escalate into a drive-by shouting.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS7/4 21:20Wed Apr 7 21:20:13 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 303

That doesn't stop charging points though. If it's really that bad then just put them in a layby up the road

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Hamilcar Barca (Duncan Biscuit)7/4 21:26Wed Apr 7 21:26:55 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 310

You forget the Great British public’s propensity to be cashpoint cripples.

See perfect examples of this almost all the time outside our local Tesco Express.

Perfectly acceptable and generally empty car park and yet shoppers don’t use the car park, instead parking anywhere that might be three yards closer.

Or, as the bloke I confronted after I asked him why the flying fuck he’d parked his car on my mums front garden said:- “I’ve got 5 cars, where am I supposed to park them?”

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS9/4 01:37Fri Apr 9 01:37:21 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 186

If these people can't be bothered to make any effort and live in a place where it is impossible to put the charge point near them then they just won't have an electric vehicle. I know you keep evading this question but do you feel that, because of this, we should not provide such technology to the vast majority of people to whom this doesn't apply?

Edited by NWS at 01:38:03 on 9th April 2021

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Hamilcar Barca (Duncan Biscuit)9/4 19:24Fri Apr 9 19:24:04 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 118

I’ve not evaded the question. I’ve clearly stated elsewhere that we should do this. I am simply pointing out that for millions of car owners, it simply isn’t feasible. What you’ve ignored in your pursuit of your own agenda is the difficulties those that don’t have a driveway will face.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS9/4 22:01Fri Apr 9 22:01:25 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 96

I've ignored the difficulties that those without driveways face? This whole conversation commenced with me talking about the problems I face without a driveway. Jeez.

Still we now reach some agreement. For many it will work. For some it won't.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS7/4 21:16Wed Apr 7 21:16:58 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 302

Nope. I'm campaigning for every house to get their own personal petrol pump!

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Meerkat8/4 08:53Thu Apr 8 08:53:46 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 256

Do you need to fill up every day? Can you charge an electric car as fast as you can fill up with petrol on your way to work?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS9/4 01:42Fri Apr 9 01:42:41 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 174

If I am doing a 20 mile round trip to work do I need to charge up every day? Do I need to store thousands of gallons of flammable liquid if I have an electric car.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Dave (Barra) (David (Barrovia))8/4 09:14Thu Apr 8 09:14:58 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 244

There’ll be chargers at work. Problem solved.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Meerkat8/4 09:22Thu Apr 8 09:22:24 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 243

Chargers at work wont help those WFH

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Dave (Barra) (David (Barrovia))8/4 09:27Thu Apr 8 09:27:55 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 245

Why do they need their cars if they are wfh and not going to the supermarket? :-)

Anyway, we’ve been through this before. There’ll be chargers absolutely everywhere. Every time you park up, you give it a little top up. Petrol stations will become charging stations. Under utilised space will be turned into charging stations - church car parks, football club car parks etc etc.

It’ll be fine.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Meerkat8/4 09:35Thu Apr 8 09:35:49 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 241

Why do all the people who commute by train have cars if work is all they are used for?
It all sounds very inconvenient - having to go out for half an hour to charge the car up before you go anywhere. And I struggle to believe there will be chargers everywhere - that would require far more chargers than cars so who is going to pay for them and who is going to install the suitable power supplies to ensure all the ones in a particular place could be used at once?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS9/4 01:48Fri Apr 9 01:48:15 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 172

You can't get this can you. What he means is that as you go to places you top up your charge.

There may well be inconveniences. Then again, the mother of Ella Kissi Deborah could probably point out some inconveniences with petrol and diesel cars

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Baldman8/4 09:44Thu Apr 8 09:44:22 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 233

When you are putting forward these arguments, are you genuinely interested in how problems will be overcome, or do you honestly believe that we are not all going to be driving electric cars in a couple of decade's time?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Meerkat8/4 10:00Thu Apr 8 10:00:08 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 232

Unless something big happens electric cars are inevitable.
I just think people are being incredibly blasé about how inconvenient it will be unless range and quick chargers improve hugely and the infrastructure to back them up appears. I doubt I can find it now but there was an article that showed a lot of the quick charger claims were extremely dubious.
Many supporters comments rely on non-existent infrastructure or ignore that it seems ok with a few rich folk/easy use cases having electric cars (and often hybrids rather than pure electric) now but that doesn’t mean it will scale up so easily.
Was wondering the other day whether you can cross charge these things. You can’t just walk to the petrol station and buy a can of fuel if your electric car runs out of juice. I assume the AA/RAC will have big battery banks in their vans??

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS9/4 01:58Fri Apr 9 01:58:13 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 181

"Many supporters comments rely on non-existent infrastructure"... Oh the irony.

Maybe we will struggle to scale up quickly enough (and with your beloved Tories in power, lying and backtracking that is almost certain) but a partial scale will be better than your approach of giving up because we can't solve every minute issue.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Baldman8/4 10:27Thu Apr 8 10:27:17 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 224

It's coming, and in terms of investment we are at the infancy of all of the technology. The tech leader (until recently at least) is a start up that was privately funded. We now have the combined R&D budgets of VW/Daimler/GM plus the battery firms working on this. GM have trailed a new truck with 400 mile range.

If cars need to be charged once a week for 20 minutes you may not need home infrastructure.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Meerkat8/4 13:38Thu Apr 8 13:38:59 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 218

As I had read it there is a limit to battery technology, and for any further serious improvements in capacity/charging they need some serious chemistry discovery???
20 mins is bloody ages if waiting for something. I suppose its OK for those who like sitting around drinking really expensive coffee or eating junk food in service stations but.....

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Baldman8/4 13:47Thu Apr 8 13:47:18 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 194

*shrugs*

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Return of the Macc (WLADITT)8/4 11:33Thu Apr 8 11:33:06 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 229

Are electric cars even the solution when we're still producing our electricity by burning fossil fuels, and the manufacturing of batteries is incredibly damaging to the environment?

Would we not be better investing the money into vastly improving public transport so all towns and cities have a service comparable to that in London?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS9/4 02:00Fri Apr 9 02:00:19 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 166

Absolutely yes to this. I'd go to work by public transport if it was feasible

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Baldman8/4 11:56Thu Apr 8 11:56:20 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 226

Perhaps but it won’t happen

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS9/4 02:01Fri Apr 9 02:01:13 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 171

It will if everyone votes for the Green party

Edited by NWS at 02:01:22 on 9th April 2021

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Return of the Macc (WLADITT)8/4 12:01Thu Apr 8 12:01:28 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 221

It seems a far more practical and realistic solution than spawning millions of roadside chargers

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Leeds Sandgrounder8/4 12:47Thu Apr 8 12:47:28 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 214

They'll have said exactly this about railways and motorways and petrol stations and car parks and everything else. It will be fine.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS9/4 02:02Fri Apr 9 02:02:11 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 181

Except its proven not to be fine

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Leeds Sandgrounder9/4 08:46Fri Apr 9 08:46:37 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 144

I was talking about installing charging points. It will happen, everyone will get used to it and then it will be fine.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Return of the Macc (WLADITT)8/4 12:49Thu Apr 8 12:49:05 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 207

Possibly. Seems more hassle for less return than buying more buses though

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Meerkat8/4 13:24Thu Apr 8 13:24:44 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 204

The problem is that people dont want to go on a bus as they risk getting stuck next to a drunk Brummie who has just rolled out of Wetherspoons and wants to bore them with tales of the great "drop" of pot pourri flavoured artisan beer knocked up by beardie ex IT consultants.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS9/4 02:03Fri Apr 9 02:03:17 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 173

Mr Staffs is not a brummie :) :) :)

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Return of the Macc (WLADITT)8/4 13:28Thu Apr 8 13:28:45 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 203

Doesn't stop people in London

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Leeds Sandgrounder8/4 12:57Thu Apr 8 12:57:27 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 205

Probably, but cars are not going to just disappear. We should be doing both.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Dave (Barra) (David (Barrovia))8/4 09:40Thu Apr 8 09:40:45 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 231

Ah well, if you struggle to believe it then it probably won’t happen then. You’re the expert in everything after all.

You won’t be charging for half an hour. 5 minutes here and there will be sufficient for 99% of people.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Leeds Sandgrounder8/4 09:40Thu Apr 8 09:40:34 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 234

Why is it any less convenient than having to go to a petrol station?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS7/4 21:10Wed Apr 7 21:10:31 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 299

I live in a road where there is a mixture of driveway and non-driveway houses. We have lamp-post up our street. Do you think they could put charging points in our lampposts or say don't bother because there is a village somewhere that can't have this?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Dave (Barra) (David (Barrovia))7/4 10:26Wed Apr 7 10:26:03 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 452

Stick it in a chamber that emerges at the opposite kerb. No need to impede anyone on the pavement.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Meerkat7/4 13:48Wed Apr 7 13:48:39 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 392

Good luck making that vandal and bad parking proof!

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS7/4 20:45Wed Apr 7 20:45:33 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 322

Yet amazingly charging points etc already exist despite the army of vandals that are just itching to stop all this

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Leeds Sandgrounder7/4 14:32Wed Apr 7 14:32:25 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 385

Is anything on the street now "vandal and bad parking proof"?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Bullsgold7/4 14:43Wed Apr 7 14:43:33 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 370

Storm drain covers.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Meerkat7/4 14:37Wed Apr 7 14:37:00 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 384

The things that need to be are relatively so. But they generally don't need to move, nor need to have things plugged into them.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS7/4 20:47Wed Apr 7 20:47:42 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 313

Each post makes you look sillier

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Leeds Sandgrounder7/4 14:44Wed Apr 7 14:44:44 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 366

EXCEPT PROSSERS

WEEEEEEY

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Bullsgold6/4 16:08Tue Apr 6 16:08:28 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 534

I'm not sure that driving a diesel car and writing on a non-league football forum is going to prompt anyone to improve public transport or create magic lamp posts.

I'm not sure what will though, so you might as well carry on.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS7/4 09:48Wed Apr 7 09:48:23 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 439

Sorry., I thought this was a forum (you know, a place of discussion) not an actual place to put forward policy requests. I tend to send those to councils and MPs etc. Still, if you believe differently then crack on.

Oh and the lampposts are not magic. Unlike Meerkat's technology mine already exists. Maybe reading things before making disparaging comments will save your embarrassment

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Leeds Sandgrounder6/4 16:05Tue Apr 6 16:05:35 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 538

You want the Moon on a stick, you do.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS7/4 09:50Wed Apr 7 09:50:25 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 446

Meanwhile, i'll settle for a cable in a lampost. It has to be cheaper than the £30bn wasted on test and trace that didn't work.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Meerkat7/4 14:03Wed Apr 7 14:03:11 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 389

It did work.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS7/4 20:51Wed Apr 7 20:51:09 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 313

Oh so you know something the public accounts committee didn't. OK

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Meerkat8/4 08:44Thu Apr 8 08:44:13 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 262

Did they say none of it worked?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS9/4 02:08Fri Apr 9 02:08:37 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 181

Yes. This is straight from Meg Hillier.

"Yet despite the unimaginable resources thrown at this project Test and Trace cannot point to a measurable difference to the progress of the pandemic, and the promise on which this huge expense was justified - avoiding another lockdown – has been broken, twice."

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By Meerkat9/4 08:49Fri Apr 9 08:49:52 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 150

so one member of the committee grandstanding. And that refers to the effect, not whether the money bought a working system - it would be harsh after all the demands for T&T 'like the Germans' then said T&T doesnt actually seem to work and blamed the government.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS9/4 10:25Fri Apr 9 10:25:21 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 136

It was in the report so it is not grandstanding. If the point of the system was to reduce infection rates and avoid lockdown and it did neither then it didn't work.

reply to this article | return to the front page

Re: Our government...

By NWS5/4 11:28Mon Apr 5 11:28:31 2021In response to Re: Our government... Top of thread

Views: 847

So it was wrong in law to abide by an international agreement over emissions. Who will give the green light and provide funds for the big projects that ignore that emissions agreement?

reply to this article | return to the front page

Previous thread: Policing Bill and Football Supporters by Marked Ox9/4 17:04Fri Apr 9 17:04:02 2021view thread